HomeMy WebLinkAbout1986 07-02 EBFMMINUTES OF THE JULY 2, 1986
EARLE BROWN FARM COMMITTEE MEETING
CALL TO ORDER
The Earle Brown Farm Committee was called to order at 7:40 a.m.
by Vice Chairman Gil Engdahl.
ROLL CALL
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Gil Engdahl, Leone Howe, Donald Peterson, Sylvia Kenney, Bill
Eldridge, and Warren Lindquist. Also present were HRA
Coordinator Brad Hoffman, Director of Planning and Inspection Ron
Warren, Program Supervisor Kathy Flesher, and Administrative Aid
Patti Page.
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APPROVAL OF MINUTES - JUNE 12, 1986
There was a motion by Bill Eldridge and seconded by Donald
Peterson to approve the minutes of the June 12, 1986 meeting.
The motion passed.
UPDATE - PROJECT STATUS
The HRA Coordinator stated that the City Council did approve the
development agreement with Earle Brown Commons at the meeting on
June 23, 1986. He noted that the deadline for a decision on
kitchen facilities for a senior meals program is October 15,
1986. He explained that if the City does include a kitchen
there would not be a write down on the property.
' PRESENTATION
The HRA Coordinator introduced Mr. Al Beisner from Earle Brown
Commons and stated that Mr. Beisner was present to answer any
questions the Committee may have about his project. -Mr. Beisner
stated that he has been developing land in Brooklyn Center for 11
years and went on to give a brief history of his involvement with
the Earle Brown project. He stated that the proposed first phase
of Earle Brown Commons would have 140 units and that each unit
would be fully equipped with a kitchen, bathroom and either 1
bedroom, 2 bedrooms or 1 bedroom with den. He added that if the
first phase was successful for seniors then the second phase
would also be for seniors. However, he added the second phase
could be market rate apartments open to everyone.
He stated that in his studies of senior housing, he has found two
types of housing. One being "full service" where all services
are on-site including such things as beauty/barber shops,
kitchens, and often the requirement of paying for 1 meal per day.
The second type of housing is "no service" housing, much like
Brookwood, where there is nothing on site except for possibly a
community room. He stated that his proposal is basically a full
service building because of the senior facilities located on the
farm. He noted that 45% of the units would qualify for HUD low
income rents.
Mr. Beisner stated- that he has found that successful centers
provide a wide array of services and classes. He noted that the
centers do not necessarily run the programs, that most often the
centers' staff would coordinate such things as times, rooms and
instructors. He went on to explain how Whitney Center in St.
Cloud is similar in some ways to his proposal.
Phil Cohen entered the meeting at 8:30 a.m.
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Leone Howe asked what type of meal program he has planne
Mr. Beisner stated that he proposes offering one meal per day,
most likely the evening meal, but, he added the residents would
not be required to pay for one meal per day as is the case in
some centers.
Mr. Beisner stated that the marketing for the center would be
targeted at people ages 55 - 70 years old. He stated that they
would not be targeting people over 70 because the center would
not have a nursing home attached.
There was a brief discussion regarding the physical link between
the farm and the senior center and the possibility of outsiders
thinking that the residents of the center dominated the
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activities at the farm. Bill Eldridge stated that he did not
think there would be a domination problem.
Discussion continued focusing on the length of stay of the
residents and Mr. Beisner stated that he would anticipate a -5%
turnover each year.
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There was a brief review of the plans and drawings for phase 1 of
the project and Mr. Beisner noted that the main question right
now is the food service. He stated that usually establishments
receiving subsidies. serve the best food and that those
establishments without subsidies have marginal food. Bill
Eldridge asked when the food service would have to be up and
operating. The HRA Coordinator stated that according to the
development agreement the City is committed to be operating. by
November 1987. He added that the key for the City is to be able
to target the office buildings for the lunch crowds.
REVENUE PROJECTIONS
The HRA Coordinator.reviewed the projected annual operating costs
for the farm. He stated that there is approximately 25,000
square feet that is potentially leasable area. He added that the
stable and hippodrome are not included in this figure. The HRA
Coordinator stated that one problem the City would have is that
the City would be charged 1/3 of the rent for taxes. He added
that he will be looking into this matter more closely with the
City Assessor.
Phil Cohen stated that after his discussions with the Chamber and
his involvement with the 75th Anniversary and the All America
Cities groups he has come to the conclusion that the City needs
to create a "tourist trap".