HomeMy WebLinkAbout1977 08-15 CCM Joint Meeting with Commissions MINUTES OF THE PROCEEDINGS OF THE JOINT CITY
COUNCIL, ADVISORY AND CHARTER COMMISSIONS
OF THE CITY OF BROOKLYN CENTER IN THE COUNTY
OF HENNEPIN AND THE STATE OF MINNESOTA
SPECIAL SESSION
AUGUST 15, 1977
CITY HALL
Call to Order A special joint City Council, Advisory and Charter Commis-
sions meeting was called to order by Mayor Philip Cohen
at 7:30 p.m.
Roll Call The City Council -Mayor Cohen, Councilmen Britts, Kuefler,
Fignar and Lhotka; Planning Commission-Chairman Scott,
Commissioners Horan, Engdahl, Pierce, Book and Jacobson;
Housing Commission- Commissioners Hastings, Magnuson,
Weitzel, Haroldson, Plummer and Duenow; Park and Recrea-
tion Commission - Commissioners Bogle, Nyquist, Velasco,
and Schroeder; Conservation Commission- Chairman Vetter,
Commissioners Dorff, Price, Winkelman, Jensen and Wesloh;
Human Rights Commission- Chairman Weyrauch, Commissioners
Tolve, Campion, and Johnson; Charter Commission- Chairman
Kanatz, Commissioners Hintzman, Nelson, Swart, Hannay,
Papke, Tubman, Gillen, and Asplund Also present were
Acting City Manager James Merila; Director of Finance
Paul Holmlund, Chief of Police Thomas O'Hehir, Director of
Planning and Inspection Blair Tremere, and Administrative
Assistants Mary Harty and Ronald Warren.-
Introduction Mayor Cohen stated that this joint Council, Advisory and
Charter Commissions meeting was called to discuss and
review the Open Meeting Law, the State Critical Area Plan-
ning Act which affects the Mississippi River Corridor, the
Land Planning Act and the role of advisory
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commissions in this p rocess. He explained that the first
portion of the meeting would involve a review of the Open
Meeting Law and the requirements for local government, and
an attorney than Mr. David Graven, Y with the law firm of
Holmes, Kircher and Graven, would give a presentation
relative to the Open Meeting Law, and that following the
presentation there would be an opportunity for questions. _
Mayor Cohen next introduced David Graven.
Open Meeting Law Mr. Graven proceeded to review the Open Meeting Law and
its impact upon local government. He stated that the practice
of law is basically making an educated guess, based upon
ofie's knowledge of the law, as to how a court will decide
law. He commented that in on a particular point of regards
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to the Open Meeting Law there are many unanswered legal
questions and that in the final analysis the views he will be
relating this evening regarding that law should be taken in
this light.
He reported that the first Open Meeting Laws in Minnesota
were enacted in 1957 and that it was not until 1973 when
the Open Meeting Laws were consolidated and amended so
as to strengthen that law. He explained that the 1973
amendment instituted forfeiture of office as a penalty for
violation of that law. He stated that the law explicitly
states that "upon a third violation by the same person
connected with the same governing body, such person shall
forfeit any further right to serve on such governing body or
in any other capacity with such governing body for a period
of time equal to the term of office such person was then
serving". He emphasized the importance of the word
"violation" stating that the statute was not referring to
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convictions and also the fact that these violations need not be
related to cause forfeiture of office.
Mr. Graven reported that the substantive provisions of the law
were contained in Subdivision I of Minnesota Statutes Section
471 .705. He stated that the law, with certain enumerated
exceptions, requires all meetings of public bodies to be open
to the public and that the votes of the members be recorded
in a journal open to the public. He added that the general
purpose of the law is to allow the public to observe and inspect
the decision making process of the public bodies and generally
applies to all meetings of every public body.
Regarding what constitutes a meeting, Mr. Graven reported that
the Attorney General has. given broad definition to the word
meeting. He stated that according to the Attorney General a
meeting is any gathering of two or more members of a public
body at which public business is discussed. Mr. Graven
further stated that he feels that the Attorney General is
referring to the presence of a majority of the quorum of a
public body, which could b e as few as two people, as
constituting a meeting under the terms of the Open Meeting
Law provided public business is discussed. He cautioned
that anytime any more than two members of the same public
body gather together and talk public business they are running`
the risk of violating the Open Meeting Law. He further reported'
that the Minnesota Supreme Court, while providing no general
definition of the word meeting, has also adopted a broad
definition of the term although never affirming the Attorney
General's definition of a meeting. He noted that although
many- good arguments and suggestions for amendment have
been put forth, primarily from municipal officials, regarding
the problems relating to such an interpretation, the State
Legislature has not seen fit to amend the statute and the
current interpretations are in effect.
Mr. Graven then reviewed exceptions to the Open Meeting
Law and stated that the only exception to the law expressly
approved by the Minnesota Supreme Court has to do with
attorney- client meetings. He added that the Open Meeting
Law itself also provides for various exceptions to the law
which include: meetings of the Board of Pardons and the
Minnesota Corrections Authority; any State agency, board
or commission when exercising quasi - judicial functions
involving disciplinary proceedings; and all meetings expressly
exempted by statute. He explained that the statutory exemp-
tions contained in other parts of the Statutes include: teacher
termination hearings; pupil expulsion hearings; public employer
public employee negotiations; and communications made to
public officers in official confidence. He further stated that
the Open Meeting Law requires that all meetings, including
executive sessions, of any State agency, board, commission
or department when required or permitted by - law to transact
public business in a meeting, and the governing body of any
school district, however organized, unorganized territory,
county, city, town or other public body, and of any committee,
subcommittee, board, department or commission thereof, shall
be open to the public. He explained that it was his opinion
that as indicated in the statutes any public body is subject
to the Open Meeting Law and that this would include all
advisory commissions to a city council and also a charter -
commission, although that commission is not necessarily
advisory to a city council.
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Mr. Graven next addressed the subject of where open meetings
should be held. He stated that the Attorney General has
rendered an opinion that all regular meetings must be held
within the territorial limits of the governmental body. He
added that deviations from this general rule may be allowed
where unusual circumstances prevail according to the Attorney
General. He pointed out that the Minnesota Supreme Court
has adopted this general rule but has not spoken on permissible
deviations. He further stated that meeting facilities need not
be the most convenient or most accessible to the public and
the the place where the public meeting is held would probably
be considered a sufficient facility if it permits some of the public
to attend. He cited as an example the problem of public
officials attending workshops or conferences in other cities
where the average citizen would have a problem attending.
He cautioned that public officials when attending such meetings
should make sure that these meetings are well publicized and
that no official public decisions are made as a means of
protecting themselves from violation of the Open Meeting Law.
He pointed out that the facilities used for public meetings
should be accessible as much as possible to the general
public. He stated that by and large private homes are bad
places to hold meetings and that it would be better to hold
such meetings in. a public facility.
Mr. Graven then reported on the requirements of notice in the
Minnesota Open Meeting Law. He stated that nothing is
really said about notice in the provisions of the Open Meeting
Law but the courts have held that notice is required as a
necessary implication of the provisions of the law. He reviewed
a recent case involving the City of Brooklyn Center where City
officials were alleged to have violated the Open Meeting Law
based on the contention that the public was not adequately
notified of a special meeting. He stated that judge Kane
had ruled in favor of the City even though no notice of that
meeting had been posted primarily because no new matters '
were discussed at that meeting and it was considered an
interim meeting between two otter meetings. He pointed out
that in the judge's decision the City's action were not in
violation of the law because (1) the public had had the right
to input at previous meetings, the issue had been fully aired
and that the arguments were becoming repetitive; (2) repre-
sentatives of the news media were invited to the special
meeting and were in attendance and also that there would be a
report of that meeting; (3) and there was no intent to deceive
or no evidence of bad faith on the part of the City officials.
He advised members of the City Council and members of the
commissions present, that the best way to proceed regarding
notice of public meetings is to have adequate media coverage
if at all possible and to publish notice of all regular and
special meetings if at all possible. He added that because
of the nature of emergency meetings it is difficult to provide
adequate published notice.
He then reviewed various rules concerning the adequacy of
notice which include: (1) The timeliness and mode of giving
notice is within the reasonable discretion of the governing
body. (2) Notice is not required for regular meetings where
the information is reasonably available to the public. (3)
Notice is not required for meetings adjourned to a specific
time and place. (4) Notice is not required for emergency
meetings. (5) Notice is required for special meetings. (6)
Notice in a newspaper is not essential. (7) Posted notice
may be adequate.
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Mr. Graven then reviewed the consequences of violating the
F Open Meeting Law and stated_ that the civil penalty is a $100
fine for each violation of the law and that forfeiture of office,
as previously mentioned, is another consequence of violation
of the Open Meeting Law. He then referred to extra statutory
consequences of violation of the Open Meeting Law which include
injunctive relief meaning that anyone with a right to attend open
public meetings has standing to seek injunctive relief against
violations of the law. He also added that actions taken at
meetings held in violation of the law may be voidable and,
therefore, subject to a finding that they are invalid by a court
of competent jurisdiction.
Mr. Graven stated that the various interpretations given to the
Open ,Meeting Law have left a lot of unanswered questions
regarding the law and how to proceed under it. He reviewed
a variety of unanswered questions and commented briefly to
them such as: Is "intent" a relevant issue? Who is a "public
official"? What is "adequate and timely notice"? How far
does the "attorney- client privilege" exception go? How is it
claimed and waived? Is the statute constitutional given its
vagueness? Is the forfeiture of office provision constitutional?
He stated that given the facts contained in the Brooklyn Center
case he feels the intent of the public body is, under certain
circumstances a relevant issue. He pointed out that there is
some disagreement as to who a public official is in that the
statute does not seem to adequately address this question.
He stated that it is his opinion that for purposes of this law
"public officials" do not include members of the staff. Regarding
the question of whether or not the statute is constitutional given
its vagueness, Mr. Graven stated that is was his opinion that the
law was constitutional even though it is vague.
Following Mr. Graven's presentation the meeting was opened
up for questions from persons in attendance. Cecilia Scott,
Planning Commission Chairman, inquired whether or not a
meeting of two persons, each members of a separate advisory
commission, would constitute a meeting subject to the require-
ments of the Open Meeting Law. Mr. Graven responded that
he did not feel such 'a meeting would be a violation provided
that the gathering did not constitute a' majority of the quorum
of either of the advisory commissions. Mrs. Scott further
inquired -if subcommittee meetings of an advisory commission
were subject to the requirements of the Open Meeting Law.
Mr. Graven_ responded that it was his opinion that subcommittee
meetings were public meetings and that adequate notice should
be provided. Bill Hannay, a member of the Charter Commission,
inquired if a study group meeting, which does not make up a
majority of the quorum of a particular commission, would be
required to post notice and provide for a public meeting.
Mr. Graven responded that it was his opinion that such a
meeting would be a public meeting because two or more of the
members of that public body were gathered together to discuss
public business and that the provisions of the Open Meeting
Law should be abided by.
Further discussion ensued relative to the Open Meeting Law
with Mr. Graven commenting that the Attorney General has
not addressed the matter of phone conversations between
public officials to discuss public business. He stated the
opinion that a phone' conversation between two public officials
would not constitute a meeting but that perhaps a conference
call, involving two or more public officials, would seem to
meet the dictates of-the Open Meeting Law and would, there-
fore, be a public meeting. He pointed out that this matter
of phone conversations has not been addressed by the Attorney
General or the courts.
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Henry Dorff, a member of the Conservation Commission,
inquired if there were any guidelines that could be recommended
in order to avoid potential violations of the Open Meeting Law.
Mr. Graven responded that regular commission meetings or
special commission meetings seem to pose no problems in
terms of notification of the meetings, and that the staff can
normally handle the matter of making sure that notice of the
meetings are given. He pointed out that other gatherings of
public officials can create numerous problems that are diffi-
cult to deal with and even more difficult to attempt to establish
procedures for.
Blair Tremere, Director of Planning and Inspection, inquired
if it would be proper to schedule, in advance, specific dates
and times for various commission meetings and inform the
public that these would be the only times when a particular
commission would meet, and also request interested persons
to contact the City Hall to find out if a commission is indeed
meeting on the indicated date. He pointed out that there would
be no deviation from this schedule and if a situation arose
which required a particular commission's attention, it would
have to be delayed until the scheduled meeting date. Mr.
Graven's advice was that such a procedure could be developed
provided it was considered a reasonable way of meeting the
notification requirements of the law.
Vi Kanatz, Charter Commission Chairman, stated that the
general purpose of the Open Meeting Law is to allow the
public to observe and inspect the decision making process of
the public bodies or in other words to let the public see how,
public business is conducted She added that it seems from
the discussion and presentation relating to the Open Meeting
Law that there should also be an opportunity for public input
and inquired of Mr. Graven if he felt this was so. Mr'. Graven
responded that it was his opinion that the opportunity for public
input should be given. He referred to three Open Meeting Law
cases, one of which was the Brooklyn Center case, in which
the matter of public input was addressed. He stated that,
as was mentioned previously, Judge Kane in the Brooklyn
Center case had noticed in his decision the fact that both
sides had been given ample opportunity to address the issue
and that the input being given was becoming repetitive. He
added that in the other two cases the public body had taken
adequate public input and had then gone into a close session
for a vote. He stated that in each of these cases the public
body was found not to be in violation of the law.
Following further discussion relative to the Open Meeting Law,
Mayor Cohen thanked Mr. Graven for his time and efforts in
reviewing and discussing provisions of the Open Meeting Law
with the City Council and members of the Advisory and Charter
Commissions.
Recess The joint City Council, Advisory and Charter Commissions
meeting recessed at 8:35 *p.m. and resumed at 8:55 p.m.
Local Comprehensive Mayor Cohen announced that the second portion of this
Planning evening's special meeting will be devoted to a presentation
relating to the procedures for reviewing and revising the City's
Comprehensive Plan and the development of a current plan in
conjunction with recent State planning legislation. He explaine
that Chairman Scott of the Planning Commission had requested
him to give consideration to the possibility of having such a
Joint meeting to discuss the effects of this comprehensive
planning and that this portion of the joint meeting* i s the result .
of her request.
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Mayor Cohen recognized Chariman Scott who thanked every- 4
one in attendance for taking part in this joint meeting. She
stated that Brooklyn Center is required by State law to review
and revise its Comprehensive Plan and also develop a new
plan which is much more far reaching than the City's current
Comprehensive Plan which deals primarily with land develop -
ment. She pointed out that in all likelihood each advisory
commission will be asked for their input into various phases
of the Comprehensive Plan which relate to the advisory
capacity of a particular commission. She concluded by stating
that hopefully the information presented at this evening's
meeting will give each commission member an awareness of
the Comprehensive Plan process and how the review process
will affect each of the commissions.
The Director of Planning and Inspection proceeded to review
the local comprehensive planning process and two State laws
which concurrently impact on Brooklyn Center and the compre-
hensive planning process. He stated that one of these laws
is the 1973 Minnesota Critical Areas Act and the Governor's
1976 designation of the Mississippi River through the metro-
politan area as a_ critical area subject to the requirements
of that act. He explained that Brooklyn Center is required
to develop information, plans and regulations for the
river corridor in the City by January, 1979. He stated that this
corridor designation ties into the other State law impacting
on Brooklyn Center, that being the 1976 Metropolitan Land
Planning Act which requires that all local government units
in the metropolitan area prepare Comprehensive Plans that
are consistent with the Metropolitan Council's plans and
policies within three years. He pointed out that the planning
for the Mississippi River corridor ties into this mandatory
planning law and will become part of that planning.
The Director of Planning and Inspection then presented a slide
presentation relative to critical areas planning. Following the
slide presentation he reviewed a transparency outlining the
critical area corridor of the Mississippi River in Brooklyn Center,
which is basically that area between West River Road and the
Mississippi River north of FI -694 and that area south of FI -694
bounded on the east by the Mississippi River and on the west by
Camden Avenue to 55th Avenue, then easterly to North 4th Street,
and then southerly on 4th Street to the south corporate limits of
the City. He explained that the designation doesn't affect to
any great extent residential properties in the critical area but
does affect commercial and industrial properties. He pointed-
out on the transparency the location of the commercial and
industrial property in the designated area and also vacant proper-
ties which would be affected by the designation. He further
stated that the purpose of the critical areas planning is to realize
development of the river corridor as a regional multipurpose
resource, resolve the conflicts of the use of land and water,,
preserve and enhance its natural, aesthetic, cultural and
historical value for the public use, and protect its environ.-
mentally sensitive areas.
The Director of Planning and Inspection next reviewed slides
of the Metropolitan Land Planning Act prepared by the Metro -
politan Council. He explained that the critical areas planning
previously mentioned will be coordinated with the required
planning efforts set forth in the Metropolitan Land Planning Act.
He stated that this law requires all local government units,
including cities, towns, townships, school districts, etc.,
in the metropolitan area to prepare Comprehensive Plans that
are consistent with the Metropolitan Council's plans and policies
within three years,
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The Director of Planning and Inspection explained that
although the new plan will to a significant extent represent
an updating and revision of the current plan, there are several
areas which must be included in the new plan which will in
effect consist of three major plans containing the following:
(1) A land use plan with environmental protection and housing
elements. He explained that we already have a land use
plan but will have to develop the environmental protection
and housing elements. (2) A public facilities plan which
will include a capital improvements program. (3) An
implementation program.
The Director of Planning and Inspection next referred to the
System Statement portion of the land planning process by
explaining that the System Statement describes for the City
the metropolitan plans and facilities which affect the City and
which should be considered in the Comprehensive Plan and
related capital improvements programs. He stated that these
System Statements relate to airports, waste management
(sewers) , transportation, regional recreation and open spaces.
He noted that the System Statement has been formally received
by the City Council and that a System Statement appeal process
has been developed so that disagreements over the statement
itself can be reconciled. He pointed out that upon review of
Brooklyn Center's System Statement the City Council has
determined that two areas need reconciliation and that it is
the City's intent to follow this process to make needed
changes in the System Statement.
Mayor Cohen pointed out that the Metropolitan Council is in
the process of developing a social framework development
guide intended to be a guide for meeting the total needs for
society such as the elderly, the handicapped etc. He noted
that although this is not part of the System Statement it is an
important aspect of the planning process and will be developed
shortly. He added that he has spoken with the Human Rights
Commission Chairman and requested that commission to review
and comment on the social framework development guide once
it has been completed
The Director of Planning and Inspection stated that the law
requires that Comprehensive Plans developed by local govern-
ments must be reviewed and commented upon by adjacent
governments such as neighboring cities and school districts
prior to the plans being submitted to the Metro Council. He
added that after the Metro Council reviews and approves the
local plans, the local government will be expected to enact
the ordinances needed, if necessary, to implement the program.
The Director of Planning and Inspection next reviewed and
explained the following: the metropolitan urban service area
map which generally depicts the areas affected by the Compre-
hensive Land Planning act; a land use inventory map of the
City of Brooklyn Center; a map of the undeveloped vacant
land in Brooklyn Center; and a flow chart depicting the local
planning process under the Metropolitan Land Planning Act.
He stated that the main element of the new Comprehensive
Plan is the land use plan which should be done prior to the
other plans because they tend to tie into this key element.
The Director of Planning and Inspection reported that the
Planning Commission, which is the custodial body of the ,
Comprehensive Plan, will be significantly involved in the
land use planning process and will draw from the other
advisory commissions' input regarding environmental and
physical planning concerns. He stated that advisory com-
missions will be called upon during the next few years to
review and recommend elements of the Master Comprehensive
Plan in the following capacities: the Park and Recreation
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Commission, review of the park and open space chapter of the plan; the
Conservation Commission, review of the environmental protec-
tion element of the plan; the Housing Commission, the housing
element of the plan; and the Human Rights Commission, the
Metropolitan Council's social framework policies as mentioned
previously by the Mayor. He reported that the capital improve-
ments element of the plan may also call for the Council to
resurrect the Capital Improvements Review Board at a dater date.
Following the Director of Planning and Inspection's presentation
a discussion ensued relative to the local comprehensive planning
process. Ray Haroldson, a member of the Housing Commission,
inquired as to the costs associated with this planning process.
The Director of Planning and Inspection responded that it is diffi-
cult to determine the extent of the cost at this time. He stated
that the City Council, in anticipation of the Metropolitan Land
Planning Act, appropriated $20,000 in the 1977 budget for profes-
sional consulting services to assist in the necessary tasks which
will be set forth in a work program to be approved by the City
Council. In terms of grants, the Director of Planning and Inspec=
tion stated that the City has applied for and prepared a work plan
and has been awarded approximately $11 , 000 in grants for a two
year period. He added that the State presumes that this grant
will cover approximately three - quarters of the cost but that it
is difficult at this time to determine if that is an accurate
estimation.
Further discussion ensued with Councilman Lhotka inquiring
as to the effects on residential areas due to the critical designa-
tion of the Mississippi River corridor. The Director of Planning
and Inspection responded that he did not feel there would be any
great effect on the residential areas because residential land
use represents the lowest intensity use and that actually the
designation will in all likelihood have the effect of protecting
residential areas.
Following further discussion Mayor Cohen thanked the commis-
sion members in attendance for their participation in the meeting
and stated that they will be kept informed of the local comprehen-
sive planning effort.
The special joint City Council, Advisory and Charter Commissions Adjournment
meeting was adjourned by Mayor Cohen at 9:50 p.m.
Clerk Mayor
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