HomeMy WebLinkAbout1969 11-20 CCM Special Session with Citizens Architectural Advisory Committee Minutes of the Proceedings of the City
Council of the City of Brooklyn Center
In the County of Hennepin and State of
Minnesota
November 20, 1969
The City Council met in special session and was called to order by
Mayor Philip Cohen at 7:36 P. M.
Roll Call; Philip Cohen, Earl Rydberg, Howard Heck and Theodore Willard.
Also present were: D. G.:Poss, Paul Holmlund, Gene Ragel, and B.E. Peterson,
Members of CAAC present were: Robert Larson, Neil Smeaton, Robert Jensen,,
Ed Theisen and Gil Engdahl,
iviembers of Cerny Associates, Inc, present were: Richard Gilyard, Robert
Pierce and Milo Thompson.
This tenth special meeting of 'the Brooklyn Center City'Council and the
Cities PV*Vtectural, Adviaoty-C •m:mfttee (=C) with Cerny associates,, Tic. %ras
conducted for the purpose of reviewing current prelimi,nary'plans for Chic Center.
The City Manager briefly presented a tentative report on bids received for
the Municipal Service Garage earlier in the day and also stated that an updating
study of the financing plan was being conducted and that preliminary information
thereon would be presented to the Council when it considers bids for the Municipal
Service Garage, (Councilman Leary arrived at 7:45 P. M.)
Mr. Pierce commenced the evening's proceedings with a slide picture
presentation of the preliminary drawingLsfor the Civic Center. After the slide
presentation and discussion thereon, Milo Thompson presented various use - schemes
for the proposed depressed - -floor social hall. A discussion ensued among Council,
committee members, staff and the architects regarding the various use - schemes
and the advantages and disadvantages of the depressed -floor concept.
The meeting recessed at 8:26 P.M. and resumed at 8 :34 P.M.
Cerny representatives next addressed themselves to the space allocations
for men's and women's lockers in the lower level of the Community Center,
Mrs. Ruth Lind of the Community Center task force of C. I. R.B. was present to
inquire about the locker room space allocations. Pierce explained that the
maximum number of people that could use the pool at one time by State Health
Department standards would be 1,000 people, He stated that a confirmed rule of
thumb regarding coin - operated locker systems indicated that sufficient lockers
be installed to accomodate 35% of the maximum pool population,, due to tendencies
to come to the pool already suited or to share a locker with another person. The
same study indicated that the lockers be allocated 42% for women and 58% for men.
This formula applied to the proposed 1,000 person pool population indicates a need
for 147 women's lockers and 203 men's lockers.
Councilman Willard expressed his opinion that there were too few private
women's dressing cubicles and showers. Pierce responded that to add additional
women's dressing cubicles would require either fewer lockers available for women
or space from other areas.
It was the consensus of the Council that Cerny Associates prepare
alternative revisions for women's dressing cubicles in the women's locker room
in the Civic Center.
Councilman Willard also questioned the adequacy of the proposed
kitchen space for serving catered banquets. Pierce responded that Cerny Associates
would normally consult with professional kitchen designers before determining
the exact design of said kitchen.
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Mayor Cohen next directed the attention of the Council and CAAC members
to a final determination of the Civic Center site plan. Mayor Cohen called upon
the Council and CAAC members for comment. After some discussion, it was the
unanimous consensus that the site plan be approved.
The Council and CAAC members next directed their attention to the matter
of the Community Center structural system. Pierce indicated that a column row
spaced at 16 ft. centers along the eastern edge of the east pool deck represented
a $13.000 construction cost savings by reducing the size of the roof members and
by reducing the overall _height of- the City Hall and Community Center by approx-
imately ttvo feet. Councilmen and CAAC members individually expressed opinions
regarding the desirability of retaining or eliminating the support columns with
the general consensus developing to the effect that it was not worth $13,000
to eliminate the columns and that the proposed structural system should be
approved.
A decision regarding the exterior building materials for the Civic Center
was deferred because Council and CAAC members wished to see examples of the
various alternatives available for consideration. It was pointed out however that
a back -up block - brick face would cost approximately $53, 000 more than a
break -off block wall. Another available alternative costing less than the
brick face alternative consists of a back -up block with a break -off block facing.
The architects stated their preference for break -off block exterior regardless of
cost consideration. It was proposed that Pierce would develop a list of buildings
within the metropolitan area for Council and CAAC members to individually inspect
and observe prior to making any decision on the exterior finish of the Civic Center.
The meetin g adjourned ourned at 11 17 P.M.
Clerk Mayor
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