HomeMy WebLinkAbout1981 11-19 PCM MINUTES OF THE PROCEEDINGS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION
OF THE CITY OF BROOKLYN CENTER IN THE COUNTY OF HENNEPIN
AND THE STATE OF MINNESOTA
STUDY SESSION
NOVEMBER 19 , 1981
CITY HALL
CALL TO ORDER
The Planning Commission met in study session and was called to
order by Chairman William Hawes at 7: 32 p.m.
ROLL CALL
C airman William Hawes, Commissioners Molly Malecki, Richard Theis,
George Lucht, Mary Simmons and Lowell Ainas. Also present were
Director of Planning and Inspections Ronald Warren, Assistant City
Engineer James Grube and Planning Assistant Gary Shallcross. The
Secretary mentioned that Commissioner Manson had called a week
prior to the meeting to say she would be unable to attend and was
excused.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES - November 5 , 1981
Chairman Hawes briefly asked for clarification of the off-site
accessory parking ordinance amendment on page 5 and 6 of the
November 5 minutes. Following an explanation by the Secretary
regarding parking allowed between zones, there was a motion by
Commissioner Lucht seconded by Commissioner Theis to approve the
minutes of the November 5, 1981 meeting as submitted. The motion
passed unanimously.
APPLICATION NO. 81067 (David Brandvold)
Following the Chairman's explanation, Chairman Hawes explained
that certain revisions had to be made to the preliminary plat
proposed by Mr. Brandvold involving land at the end of Colfax
Avenue North, north of 57th Avenue North. He stated that the
application would not be considered until the December 10 meeting,
at the earliest.
MOTION TO TABLE APPLICATION NO. 81067 (David Brandvold)
Motion by Commissioner Lucht seconded by Commissioner Malecki to
table Application No. 81067 until the December 10, 1981 meeting,
or until the applicant has prepared a satisfactory plat of the
land in question. Voting in favor: Chairman Hawes, Commissioners
Malecki, Theis, Lucht, Simmons and Ainas. Voting against: none.
The motion passed.
APPLICATION NO. 81070 (Summit Mortgage Corporation)
The Secretary introduced the next item of business, a request for
site and building plan approval by Summit Mortgage Corporation to
add a year-round porch to the west side of the main house on the
Earle Brown Farm at 6150 Summit Drive. He reviewed the contents
of the staff report (see Planning Commission Information Sheet
for Application No. 81070 attached) . -
Commissioner Theis asked whether the garage from the north portion
of the Farm site would be linked to the main house. The Secretary
answered that the relocated garage would. not share a common wall
with the existing main house and garage, but would have an enclosed
walkway linking the two.
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Commissioner Simmons expressed frustration over continually deal-
ing with the Earle Brown Farm on the basis of historic preserva-
tion `when, in her opinion, the proposed reuse of the property does
not preserve anything other than building exteriors. Commissioner
Lucht stated that he felt the finding has been made that the pro-
perty is a historic site and that the City may as well try to pro-
mote maintenance and preservation of the structures as much as
possible. Commissioner Lucht asked whether it would not be neces-
sary to change the zoning status of the property to allow an
industrial use. The Secretary answered that the Planning Commis-
.sion and City Council have approved an industrial use in the horse
barn and hippodrome which is also part of the Minnesota Historic
Site. He stated that expansion of a residential use on the Farm
has not been proposed in the past, but that such an expansion could
be comprehended under the approval of Application No. 81041, which
gave the City Council complete latitude in determining what uses
should be permitted on the Earle Brown Farm to further the ob-
jective of historic preservation.
Commissioner Simmons questioned the whole motivation and approach
behind setting up the property as a historic district. She stated
that she did not think the Minnesota Historical Society would have
approved the proposed addition to the main house if the whole
development proposal had been put forth at once. She criticized
the gradual approach which evolves. away from historic preservation
The Planning Assistant stated that in his discussion with Mr. Gim
mestad of the Minnesota Historical Society, it was explained that
the MHS treats different projects differently depending on whether
the property is publicly or privately owned. He stated that the
State would recommend a more authentic preservation of the build
ings and the site if the _property were publicly owned. In the
case of private ownership, he explained, the MHS has less leverage
and merely tries to influence the reuse of the property in ways
most capable with long run historic preservation. The Secretary
added that the City Council does not have to approve the proposed
porch addition, in that it represents technically an expansion of
a nonconforming use. He pointed out, however, that if the Planning
Commission and City Council feel that the addition is worthwhile
in contributing to the preservation of the historic site, the` pro-
ject can be approved. Commissioner Ainas noted that when historic
buildings revert to public ownership, there is often considerable
expense in restoring the property to its original historic character.
He stated that the addition of the porch is quite reversible and
can, therefore, be accepted without a great deal of concern as to
its future consequences . Commissioner Simmons countered that while
the porch could be removed from the main house, the site in general
could not be reconstructed to conform to its previous layout.
Mr. Janis Blumentals, representing Summit Mortgage Corporation,
explained that there are two ways to preserve the historic pro-
perties. one way, he explained, is to leave the property as is
and make use of it only in line with its original use. The second
approach, he went on, maintains the character of the buildings as
much as possible, but adapts them internally for use today. He
cited Butler Square as an example of the latter type of historic
preservation. Commissioner Lucht added that it would have been
to the advantage of the owner to develop the property for an indus-
trial use as the Zoning ordinance allows by tearing down all of the
historic structures on the property. He stated that some Planning
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Commissioners previously had little _concern over whether this,
in fact, happened. But, now the Planning Commission and City
Council have expressed a desire to preserve the property and its
historic character as much as possible.
Chairman Hawes asked why the porch addition had not been shown
on the previous plan for relocating structures. He suspected,
he said, that this addition was known about previously and could
have been planned for and considered at the time of the approval
of Application No. 81041. Commissioner Theis pointed out that
the thinking of the Planning Commission and City Council has
evolved as much as that of the applicant. He noted that, at
first people did not think the area could be preserved at all.
Then, the City agreed to the idea of moving the buildings into
a compact area to make their preservation as economically viable
as possible. Now, the City must recognize that a residential use
of the main house and attached structures is probably the most
feasible use of the property and will further its preservation.
_Commissioner Simmons stated that she was not opposed so much to
the proposed porch addition, but to the whole gradual approach,
which actually erodes historic preservation. She wondered what
the Brooklyn Center Historical Society thought of the proposed
addition and what they really preferred for the Farm in the first
place. Chairman Hawes stated that he felt there was a master plan
for the area which the Planning Commission saw only in bits and
pieces. Mr. Blumentals stated that there is no such master plan
of the area beyond what the Planning Commission has been made
aware of.
Chairman Hawes acknowledged that he could see some benefit to the
proposed porch, but wondered at what point the incremental changes
in the Farm site and buildings would become irreversible. He
stated that he would prefer that the City would take over the pro-
perty and fully preserve it.
ACTION RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF APPLICATION NO. 81070
(Summit Mortgage Corporation)
Citing the fact that the proposed porch addition is reversible
and that it furthers the objective of preserving the historic
structures, Commissioner Theis moved, with Commissioner Simmons
seconding, that Application No. 81070 be approved, subject to
the following conditions:
1. Building plans are subject to review 'and approval
by the Building Official with respect to applicable
codes prior to the issuance of permits.
2. The plat pertaining to the property (Application
No. 81035) shall be given final approval by the
City Council and filed at the County prior to
the issuance of building permits.
3. Plans and execution of the proposed construction
shall be in accordance with recommendations of
the Minnesota Historical Society.
4. The provisions of Section 35-110 are waived in the
action of this approval on the grounds that the
proposal fulfills the objective of historic preser-
vation (see Condition No. 5 of Application No. 81041) .
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Voting in favor: Commissioners Malecki, Lucht, Simmons and Ainas.
'doting against: Chairman Hawes. Chairman Hawes stated he opposed
the addition because he feels there is further development tied to
the Farm buildings which is not evident in the proposed plan and
that this future development will not be reversible. Commissioner
Simmons stated that she favored the application because it is an
,tddi.tion which is easily reversible Commissioner Theis stated
that his motion for the approval was because he feels that the
rch will be a vehicle to help preserve the field house which is
(located next to the main house.
APPLICATION <NO. 81071 (Dale Tile Company)
The secretary introduced the next item of business, a request for
site and building plan approval for major alterations to the in-
terior and exterior of the buildings at 4815 France Avenue North,
the Dale Tile office and warehouse. He added that the application
Is also for a Special Use Permit to allow retail sale of products
manufactured, processed or wholesaled on the use site. The Secretary
reviewed the contents of the staff report (see Planning Commission
Information Sheet for Application No. 81071 attached) . The Secretary
VR=xt directed the Commission's attention to a memo from the Assistant
City Engineer regarding the proposed site plan. He noted that the
site plan does not show an existing permanent easement for street
purposes along the southern boundary line of the site in question
and that future replatting of the property would have to relocate
the westerly property line someplace west of the parking lot.
Chairman Hawes noted that the roadway for Lakebreeze Avenue had
been shifted to the north and asked whether the additional easement
areas were to allow for further widening in the future. The
Assistant City Engineer explained that the easements give additional
right-of-way to the State for access control in the area close to
the intersection of France Avenue and Highway 100. He explained
that it would also allow for future potential widening, although
none is planned at this time. He stated that the easement area
should be shown on the site plan so that people referring to the
plan can be aware of the boundaries of public right-of-way.
There followed a lengthy discussion regarding the exterior treatment
of various building walls at the Dale Tile complex. The improvements
to the building would leave the north and west walls as painted con-
crete block with a color scheme consistent with that of the rest of
the building. Commissioner Simmons asked whether it would be appro-
priate to make an exception to the policy of consistent exterior
treatment for those walls which are not highly visible. The Secre-
tary suggested that a better rationale for approving the proposed
building plans would be that the proposed exterior is uniform enough
to meet the general outlines of the policy. He pointed out that the
Joslyn Manufacturing property to the north and west would probably
be redeveloped at some point in the future so that there would be
other properties with visibility to the rear of the building. Com-
missioner Lucht commented that to have a completely consistent ex-
terior treatment, the warehouse building could have simply a brown-
stripe all the way around,, rather than having an attractive metal
fascia on the most visible walls.
Mr. Alan Dale addressed the Commission and explained that adding
the fascia treatment to the west side of the warehouse building
would cost $23,000.00 and would kill the entire project if required.
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Mr. Dale showed samples of the metal fascia material and the ex-
posed aggregate material to be used in the new wall treatment.
The Secretary stated that the building exterior as proposed would
be tied together adequately because of a consistent color scheme
around=the entire building. He stated that the proposed treatments
would be much better than the hodge-podge of building treatments,
which presently exists at the complex. He also stated that the
policy of consistent exterior treatment, if taken to an extreme,
can lead to less decorative treatments because developers are re-
luctant to carry decorative treatments around an entire structure.
He stated that the purpose of the policy was to avoid false facades
and concrete block buildings, but that the policy can have the
effect of reducing decorative treatments. He noted that it would
be possible for the applicant to meet the intent of the policy
with a less elaborate treatment such as 'a consistent color treat-
ment with no fascia on the buildings . He stated that the proposed
wall treatments would certainly move the building in the direction
of consistent exterior treatment. He concluded by stating that.
the fact the proposal is a remodeling, rather than new construction,
may have some bearing on the Commission's recommendation.
Commissioner Ainas stated that it was difficult for him to reconcile
the "imaginative architectural concepts" called for in the Zoning
Ordinance with consistent exterior treatment. Commissioner Simmons
stated that she felt the policy of requiring total consistency
around buildings is too strict.
PUBLIC HEARING
C airman Hawes then opened the meeting for a public hearing. He
asked if there were any persons present who wished to speak to the
application. There being none, he called for a motion to close the
public hearing.
CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING
Motion by Commissioner Lucht seconded by Commissioner Malecki to
close the public hearing. The motion passed unanimously.
Commissioner Theis stated that he was concerned with the lack of
treatment on the west wall of the building, but that he would vote
to approve the application because it is such an obvious improvement
over the existing situation. r
ACTION RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF APPLICATION NO. 81071
(Dale Tile Com an z)
Motion by Commissioner Lucht seconded by Commissioner Theis to
recommend approval of Application No. 81071, subject to the follow-
ing conditions:
1. Building plans are subject to review and approval
by the Building Official with respect to applicable
codes prior to the issuance of permits.
2. The eastern portion of the warehouse building and
the existing office building shall be equipped
within an automatic fire extinguishing system in
accordance with NFPA Standards and shall be
connected to a central monitoring device in
accordance with Chapter 5 of the City Ordinances.
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3. The plan shall be modified prior to consideration
by the City Council to show a) The permanent
right-of-way easements along Lakebreeze Avenue
b) Elevations for the west and north walls of
the building.
4. The applicant shall replat the subject property
along with the parcel to the west to move the
common property line eastward to approximately
10 ' from the edge of the parking lot. This re-
platting shall be accomplished prior to release
of the performance guarantee.
5 . A site performance agreement and supporting
financial guarantee (in an amount to be deter-
mined by the City Manager) shall be submitted
prior to the issuance of permits to assure com-
pletion of approved site improvements
6. The special use permit is issued to the applicant
as operator of the facility and is nontransferable.
7. The permit is subject to all applicable codes,
ordinances, and regulations- and any violation
thereof shall be grounds for revocation.
8. All outside trash enclosures and/or rooftop
mechanical equipment shall be appropriately
screened from view.
Voting in favor: Chairman Hawes, Commissioners Malecki, Theis,
Lucht and Simmons. Voting against: none. Not voting: Commis-
.signer Ainas. Commissioner Ainas explained that he was not voting
on the application because of a professional conflict.
RECESS
The Planning Commission recessed at 9 :26 p.m. and resumed at 9 :49 p.m.
APPLICATION NO. 81072 (Russell Viska)
Following the recess, the Secretary introduced the next item of busi-
ness, a request for a variance from the Sign Ordinance by Russell
Viska to erect a 34' high x 152 sq. ft. freestanding sign at the
Smoke Pit Restaurant at 5001 Drew Avenue North. The Secretary re-
viewed the contents of the staff report (see Planning Commission
Information Sheet for Application No. 81072 attached) . The Secretary
concluded his recommendation by stating that Mr. Viska should erect
signs that comply with the Sign Ordinance and that it is staff's
judgment that this would provide him with adequate visibility for
necessary visual communication. The Secretary then read a letter
submitted by Mr. and Mrs. Roger Pyle of 5013 Drew Avenue North, the
house just north of the restaurant The letter generally opposed
the proposed sign variance on the grounds that it would be detei-
mental to the neighborhood.
Chairman Hawes noted that- there are powerlines in the area where ,
the sign presently exists and that a higher sign might come in con-
flict with these wires. He asked whether there was any restriction
on keeping signs away from powerlines. The Secretary stated he was
not sure whether there was a regulation from some other source, but
that the Sign Ordinance does not address that question.
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Chairman Hawes then called on the applicant to speak. Mr. Viska
explained to the Planning Commission that one of his original reasons
for pursuing more signery was that he felt other businesses in the
area have been treated unfairly relative to service stations, in
light of recent ordinance amendments which allows greater promo-
tional signery for service stations. He stated that he realized he
could have more signery than he presently has and still be in com-
pliance with the Sign Ordinance. However, he added, covering 30%
of the building with signs would be unattractive. He stated that
many people are trying to find his restaurant, but are unable to
because of its unique location. He pointed out that he has adver-
tised in newspapers, magazines, and used coupons. He stated that
he felt that a sign close to the highway is needed because the rail-
road bridge and the exit at 50th Avenue provide some distractions
to passing motorists. He said that the sign would not affect traffic
on Highway 100 coming from the south because of the railroad bridge
and because by the time the sign is visible, those cars would be
unable to turn off at France. He stated that the neighbors would
probably prefer that no sign exist on the premise. He stated that
he felt the present business is attractive and that the City should
do whatever is reasonable to try to keep it going, rather than allow
it to fail and have another vacant building. He added that he would
be willing to give up the sign on the building as a trade-off if the
variance were allowed.
Commissioner Ainas asked what the elevation of the Smoke Pit rest-
aurant is relative to the Denny's restaurant and the height of their
respective signs. Mr. Viska pointed out that the Denny's restaurant
is situated above Highway 100 and that the sign is probably at the
maximum height allowed by ordinance. He stated that his restaurant
is roughly at the level of the highway and that his sign is presently
only 18 feet high. The Secretary briefly reviewed the Sign Ordinance
provisions governing height and size of freestanding signs. The
Planning Assistant recalled that the sign at Denny's is roughly
165 sq. ft. in area and, therefore, probably 25 feet high.
In answer to a question from Chairman Hawes regarding promotions,
the Secretary stated that the ordinance is fairly liberal in allowing-
almost any kind of signery besides flashing signs for two ten day
periods each year. He noted that the property in question has used
its two promotional permits and will not be eligible for another
until January 1, 1982.
Commissioner Simmons asked Mr. Viska if he felt a higher sign would
solve all his business problems . Mr. Viska answered that it would
help solve the problem of letting people know where the restaurant
is. Commissioner Simmons asked whether he wished to seek the sign
variance primarily on behalf of other businesses that are not service
stations. Mr. Viska answered that the request for a variance arises
primarily out of his research into the problem people are having
finding his restaurant.
In response to a question from Chairman Hawes regarding the hours of
operation, Mr. Viska briefly reviewed his hours and stated that he
has no morning hours or late night hours. Chairman Hawes asked about
additional lighting. Mr. Viska stated that there are lights at the
northeast and southeast corner of the building and in the parking lot.
Commissioner Lucht stated that he aid not think a larger or taller
sign would do what Mr. Viska intended. He suggested that Mr. Viska
put maps in his advertising. Mr. Viska responded that he was already
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doing that. -
} The Secretary noted that there is only one traffic movement off
Highway 100 which the sign would affect. He stated that the Sign
ordinance cannot guarantee highway visibility to every business.
He noted that when the restaurant was proposed at the location of
50th and Drew, staff had questions as to whether the restaurant
would work. At that time, he recalled, the developer expected
that people working in the nearby industrial area or residing in
the neighborhood would be steady customers of the restaurant.
Commissioner Lucht pointed out that evergreen trees grow very
fast and that the variance would probably solve the problem (if
at all) only for a short time, whereas the action of granting a
variance by the Planning Commission would have long run consequences
in other cases. The Secretary mentioned Federal Lumber as an example
of a business with similar problems. Chairman Hawes stated that he
has driven by the restaurant a number of times and wondered if it
was even open because it looked dark inside. He also related how
he was unaware of the 60 ' high Holiday Inn sign until he read about
it in the staff report, even though it has been in existence for a
number of years and he has driven by it many times. Mr. Viska
answered that his need for a high sign is to try to attract the
initial business to the establishment and that after this business
was going, it would be easier to attract more customers without
having to rely on excessive signery. He explained that the rest-
aurant does not have the kind of local appeal originally anticipated
by the developer. He stated that people drive a considerable dis-
tance to get good barbeque (he mentioned the example of the Market
Restaurant in Minneapolis, which draws customers from a considerable
dists^ce) . He stated that he has had many customers who have gone
considerable distance to find him, but were unable to locate the .
restaurant once they reached the area where they thought it was.
Mr. Viska stated that he felt the situation is unique, in that his
restaurant is blocked from full visibility by the evergreen trees
and that the restaurant is located in an industrial as opposed to a
commercial mall area.
Chairman Hawes. expressed sympathy with the problems the restaurant
was experiencing, but added that variances create problems for the
City with other businesses down the road. He added that he did
not feel signs would do what Mr. Viska hoped they would.
PUBLIC HEARING
Chairman Hawes then opened the meeting for a public hearing. Mr.
Jerry Johnston of 5012 Ewing' Avenue`North stated that'°he was opposed
to the variance application because he felt a high sign would be an
eyesore in the area and detract from the neighborhood. He stated
that he has light shining in his back yard presently and does not
want to see any more.
Commissioner Lucht stated that he did not feel the request met the
Standards for a Variance. He stated that while the restaurant is
experiencing a hardship, he did not think that it resulted from a
lack of sgnery. He stated that the situation is not very unique
relative to other businesses in the same general area. Finally, he
noted that based on comments from two neighbors, the variance might
be detrimental to surrounding property.
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CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING
There being no other people present to comment on the application,
there was a motion by Commissioner Lucht seconded by Commissioner
Malecki to close the public hearing. The motion passed unanimously.
ACTION RECOMMENDING DENIAL OF APPLICATION NO. 81072 (Russell Viska)
Motion by Commissioner Lucht seconded by Commissioner Malecki to
recommend denial of Application No. 81072, a request for a variance
from the Sign Ordinance to erect a 34 ' high, 152 sq. ft. sign at
5001 Drew Avenue North,, on the grounds that the Standards for a
Sign Ordinance Variance are not met. Voting in favor: Chairman
Hawes, Commissioners Malecki, Theis, Lucht, Simmons and Ainas.
Voting against: none. The motion passed unanimously.
ADJOURNMENT
Following a brief discussion of upcoming Planning Commission business-
and .the possibility of cancelling the December 17,1981 meeting,
there was a motion by Commissioner Lucht seconded by Commissioner
Theis to adjourn the meeting of the Planning Commission. The motion
passed unanimously. The Planning Commission adjourned at 10 :57 p.m.
Chairman
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