HomeMy WebLinkAbout1982 02-11 PCM MINUTES OF THE PROCEEDINGS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION
OF THE CITY OF BROOKLYN CENTER IN THE COUNTY OF HENNEPIN
AND THE STATE OF MINNESOTA
REGULAR SESSION
FEBRUARY 11, 1982
CITY HALL
CALL TO ORDER
The Planning Commission met in regular session and was called to order
by Chairman George Lucht at 7:36 p.m.
ROLL CALL
Chairman George Lucht, Commissioners Molly Malecki, Nancy Manson,
Lowell Ainas and Richard Hager. Also present were 'Director of
Planning and .Inspections Ronald Warren, Assistant City Engineer
James Grube and Planning Assistant Gary Shallcross. The Secretary
noted that Commissioners Simmons and Sandstrom had .called to say
that they would be unable to attend the evening's meeting and
asked to be excused.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES - January 28, 1982
Motion by Commissioner Malecki seconded by Commissioner Manson to
approve the minutes of the January 28, 1982 Planning Commission
meeting as submitted. Voting in favor: Chairman Lucht, Commis-
sioners Malecki, Manson, Ainas and Hager. Voting against: none.
The motion passed.
APPLICATION NO. 82008 (Bergstrom Realty)
Following the C�irmaT explanation, tie Secretary introduced the
first item of business, a-request to rezone a 7.5 acre tract of
land lying east of the Humboldt Square Shopping Center from C2 to
R3. He reviewed the contents of the staff report (see Planning
Commission Information Sheet for Application No. 82008 attached) . *
Commissioner Malecki asked whether the 1977 rezoning request was
approved pending submittal of a screening and buffering plan between
the shopping center and single family residences on the subject
property. The Secretary answered that the Planning Commission had
recommended amendment of the old Comprehensive Plan and approval of
the rezoning to Rl. The application was referred to the City
Council, he said, which did not take final action on the application,
but waited for a screening plan which was never submitted. Commis-
sioner Malecki asked whether it was standard procedure to attach
conditions to a rezoning. The Secretary answered that, in the case
of the Madsen property rezoning in 1919 , the land to be rezoned had
no formal legal description and needed to be replatted into identi-
fiable land parcels before the property in question could be listed
in the Zoning Ordinance as R3. He stated that since this had not
been done, the rezoning has not really taken effect. Commissioner
Manson asked whether platting was always necessary with a rezoning
and whose responsibility it was: the owner' s or the City' s. The
Secretary stated that platting is not always necessary with a re-
zoning of land, only when the land to be rezoned has no platted
legal description. He stated that platting must be completed prior
to the issuance of building permits and that it is the owner's
responsibility to complete this process if he wishes to develop
the property.
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Chairman Lucht then called on the applicant to speak. Mr. Jim
Merila, of Merila and Associates, representing Bergstrom Realty,
spoke on behalf of the applicant. He stated that a meeting had
been held with the neighbors- to the east of the property in
question on February 2. He stated that the general consensus
at the meeting was apprehension over a possible rental or sub-
sidized housing project on the property. He stated that the
assurance that the owner can give that the property will not be
developed for rental subsidized housing is that the rezoning be
made subject to a replatting of the property into a planned unit
development townhouse project. Mr. Merila then showed some slides
of the land in question and of the surrounding land uses. He also
showed a conceptual plan of the area and pointed out that a pond
would be constructed to lower the water table in the area. He ex-
plained that the pond would drain to a storm sewer in 67th Avenue
Forth. Mr. Merila then showed some slides of similar townhouses
and reviewed other owner-occupied townhouse developments in Brooklyn
Center. He stated that he felt a townhouse development would be a
good transitional use between the shopping center and the single
family homes to the east. He stated that there is no intent that
the project be a subsidized housing development and added that,
with the budget cuts at the federal level, there is almost no money
for subsidized housing at this time.
PUBLIC HEARING
Chairman Lucht then opened the meeting for a public hearing. Mr.
Dale Stelzer of 6837 Emerson Avenue North asked some questions re-
garding the conceptual plan for the townhouse development. He
asked how high the berms would be along the east side of the devel-
opment and whether water would flow over or between the berms to a
storm drain running behind the homes facing Emerson Avenue North.
The Secretary stated that building permits would not be issued until
the site and building plans for the project had been approved, and
that buffer and screening is required between Rl and R3 developments.
He explained that berming is not required between the two uses,
but that it can be used as a fulfillment of the screening requirement,.
He also pointed out that a drainage and utility plan is required as
part of the site and building plan approval and that this drainage
plan must not adversely impact on surrounding property. Mr. Stelzer
stated that he did not want six feet of water in his basement, which
could happen if all of the water from property to the west drained
toward the single family homes facing Emerson, which are at a lower
elevation. He also stated that the proposal for 64 townhouse units
is almost like putting up an apartment building, as far as resi-
dential density is concerned. The Secretary stated that buildings
with common entrances are not permitted in the R3 zone. Mr. Stelzer
asked whether there was any way that the proposed development could
turn into a low income rental project. The Secretary answered that
the Zoning Ordinance does not control ownership, but rather things, -
such as height, bulk, density, setback and buffer requirements . Mr.
Stelzer asked whether townhouses were more beneficial than single
family homes from a tax base standpoint. The Secretary answered
that there would be more value added to the tax roles with individ-
ually-owned townhouse units. He explained that owner-occupied
townhouses are appraised on the basis of their market value, whereas
rental townhouses are appraised on the basis of their income po-
tential. Mr. Merila stated that it was the applicant's intent to
take care of the drainage from the subject property by using an
existing catch basin and storm sewer on the east side of the site
and with a couple of additional storm sewer lines connecting the
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proposed holding pond to storm sewer in 67th.
Mr. Duane Bass of 6807 Emerson Avenue North asked whether the pro-
ject would be built all at once or over a period of years. Mr.
Merila answered that it would probably be built over a couple of
years time and that the first thing to be secured would be financing.
Mr. Bass asked where building would commence . Mr. Merila stated he
was not sure, that_ it would depend on which units were sold first.
He added, however, that the grading and drainage would be completed
at one time, before the building of any townhouses. In answer to
a question from Mr. Bass regarding berming, the Secretary stated
that berms are not required, but may be used to fulfill the screen-
ing requirements between R3 and Rl uses . He stated that a per-
formance agreement would be required to ensure the completion of
approved site improvements.
Mr. Tim Boyle of 6813 Emerson Avenue North stated that he favored a
single family development on the property in question. He cited
the policy in the Comprehensive Plan that the Northeast Neighborhood
be predominantly single family residential in character as grounds
for rejecting the rezoning request. He also stated that the con-
ceptual plan has three dead end streets, which he felt would be
hazardous. The Secretary explained that those streets would be
private and not publicly owned and that maintenance of the private
streets would be by the townhouse association. Mr. Boyle noted
that the land on which the townhouses would be built is approxi-
mately four feet higher than the land on which his house sits. He
stated that two story townhouses would look over into his house.
Chairman Lucht pointed out that single family homes could be built
in the same way and could have the same effect.
Mr. Alvin Frederick 6825 Emerson Avenue North stated that the drain
tile which Mr. Bergstrom put in some years has not done much good.
He stated that water still drains into the back yards and basements
of homes facing Emerson Avenue North. Chairman Lucht stated that
the City is certainly aware of the drainage problem in that area
and that it would be considered in the review of any proposed
development.
Mrs. Judy Stelzer of 6837 Emerson Avenue North asked whether the
Brooklyn Center School District is really looking at the townhouse
proposal. She asked whether 64 townhouses would be better than
22 single family residences; as far as the school district is
concerned. She also asked whether the Planning Commission and
staff consider the effect on school districts when land is zoned.
The Secretary stated that school district concerns are not always
primary in evaluating rezonings. He stated that zoning takes into
account the characteristics of the land in question and does not
require that a development consist of units with so many bedrooms,
etc. He stated that there were no City regulations requiring more
than one bedroom in a townhouse or in a single family dwelling,
for that matter. He guessed that the basic unit would be a two
bedroom unit with the option of having a third bedroom, however.
Regarding the school district, the Secretary stated that townhouses
tend to attract both young families and those families which no longer
have children. He cited the example of the Creek Villas townhouse
project, in which census information indicated that one block of 20
townhouse units had a population of 35 people, or 1.75 persons per
household. He stated that the Brooklyn Center School District needs
more students, not -so much an increase in property valuation.
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. Mrs. Stelzer asked whether Mr. Bergstrom could put up whatever
he wants, be it rental or owner-occupied, once the property is
rezoned. The Secretary answered that as long as the structures
were permitted under the zoning ordinance restrictions, a rental
or owner-occupied development could be constructed.
Mrs. Arlene Frederick of 6825 Emerson Avenue North noted that the
new Comprehensive Plan recommends Rl zoning for the property in
question. She asked when that plan was adopted. The Secretary ex-
. plained that the plan has not been formally adopted, but will be
in the very near future. Mrs. Frederick asked whether zoning the
property R3 would constitute "spot zoning" since there is no other
R3 land adjacent to the property. The Secretary stated that zoning
of a single parcel to a classification different from surrounding
properties would not necessarily constitute "spot zoning" if the
zoning met with general planning principles and was called for by
the Comprehensive Plan. Mrs. Frederick stated that she favored
the Rl recommendation of the new Comprehensive Plan.
The Planning Assistant, noting the general concern over drainage
expressed by those present, stated that an R3 development generally
receives more scrutiny from the standpoint of drainage than an Rl
development and that it would be easier to require and obtain certain
drainage improvements as part of a townhouse project. The Secretary
also noted that the cost of correcting the existing drainage problem
could be met more feasibly by spreading it over a larger number of
units than would be the case with a single family development. Mrs.
Frederick stated that she considered 64 units to be too high a density.
Mr. Gerald Peterson of 6843 Emerson Avenue North speculated that the
applicant could get the property rezoned and then change the con-
ceptual plan if the proposed conceptual plan does not sell. He
asked whether that could be controlled. The Secretary stated that
zoning could not control ownership, only bulk, density, height,
setback, etc. He stated that there was no guarantee that the land
would not be developed for rental housing. The Chairman pointed
out that an owner-occupied development is probably more likely be-
cause of the cost of correcting the drainage problem and would be
easier to pass on with more expensive units. Two of the residents
living to the east of the parcel in question stated they would prefer
that the property either remain C2 or be rezoned to Rl or Park,
rather than R3.
Mr. Merila made a few comments regarding the high water table. He
stated that if the property were developed for single family homes,
FHA and VA financing agencies would require that basement elevations
be three feet above the water table. He pointed out that, with the,
high water table, fill would have to be brought in to meet this re-
quirement. This process would make the lots more expensive, he said,
and would place the houses even higher above the single family homes
to' the east. Mr. Merila -also pointed out that townhouse developments
do appeal to families whose children have left home (empty-nesters) ,
but many of these older couples come from existing single-family
homes within Brooklyn Center. As these older families move out,
he said, younger families move into the vacated houses. In this
way, he explained, the building of townhouses leads indirectly to
more children within the school district. Regarding the option to
change the entire development after approval of the rezoning, Mr.
Merila acknowledged that -this was a possibility, but stated that
after a plat is approved and filed as a condition of the rezoning,
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development must conform to the plat.
CONTINUE PUBLIC HEARING
Motion by Commissioner Malecki seconded by Commissioner Hager to
continue the public hearing on Application No. 82008, submitted by
Bergstrom Realty until a later meeting after review by the Northeast
Neighborhood Advisory Group. Voting in favor: Chairman Lucht,
Commissioners Malecki; Manson, Ainas and Hager. Voting against:
none. The motion passed.
Chairman Lucht asked if the applicant had considered a different
mix of housing on the site, perhaps including single family resi-
dences. Mr. Merila answered that putting single family homes along
the east side of the property with access to a public street, would
crowd the townhouses and the ponding area to the west and perhaps
result in a lower quality development. Chairman Lucht stated that
there was obviously a concern over the density of the project and
that a plan with fewer units should be considered. Commissioner
Hager noted that R1 zoning would result in 22 units, that R3 could
result in 64 units. He asked whether an R2 zoning would allow for
enough units to break even on the development of the property. The
Secretary and the Planning Assistant reviewed briefly the R2 re-
quirements for lot sizes and explained that, in the R2 zone, there
is no such thing as a zero lot line split ownership.
TABLE APPLICATION NO. 82008 (Bergstrom Realty)
Motion by Commissioner Manson seconded by Commissioner Malecki to
table Application No. 82008 and refer it to the Northeast Neighbor-
hood Advisory Group for review and comment. Voting in favor: Chair-
man Lucht, Commissioners Malecki, Manson, Ainas and Hager. Voting
against: none. The motion passed.
Mr. Tim Boyle asked why the application was referred to the Northeast
Neighborhood Advisory Group and not directly to the City Council.
Chairman Lucht explained that the procedure is a standard one in
rezoning applications and it is designed to obtain as much comment
from nearby property owners as possible. The Secretary explained
that there are certain time constraints placed on the City in
processing a rezoning application which require that the application
receive a hearing and be decided upon within a limited period of time.
RECESS
The Planning Commission recessed at 9 :16 p.m. and resumed at 9 :42 p.m.
DISCUSSION ITEM
Amusement Centers and Devices
The Secretary next reviewed with the Planning Commission some pro-
posed revisions to the draft ordinance dealing with amusement de-
vices and amusement centers submitted at the January 28, 1982 Plan-
ning Commission meeting. He reviewed a proposed restriction on the
location of machines in the proposed Section 23-2109 and the defini-
tion of an amusement center in the proposed Section 23-2102 A. He
also reviewed various minor word changes throughout the ordinance.
The Secretary explained that he tried to make the changes to allow
machines as a secondary use in certain types of establishments
which do abut residential property, but to prohibit "amusement
centers" from abutting residential property. The Planning Assistant
asked whether, under the proposed language, a ShowBiz Pizza Restaurant
could be allowed to abut residential property. The Secretary answered
that the Planning Commission and City Council would have- to determine
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whether a use such as ShowBiz Pizza were primarily a restaurant
or, ,in fact, ,an amusement center.
Commissioner Manson asked what the effect of the changes would be
on Holiday Inn. The Secretary answered that the machines at the
Holiday Inn would have to be licensed, but that the establishment
itself would not be considered as an amusement center and, there-
fore, could abut residential property.
The Secretary asked for other reaction from the Planning Commission.
Chairman Lucht asked whether machines in churches would be regulated.
The Secretary answered that he had not considered this possibility,
but that machines in churches could be listed under "certain machines
not licensed Commissioner Ainas suggested that possibly a barber
would want to have an amusement device in the waiting area of his
shop. There followed a brief discussion regarding the possibility
of allowing amusement devices in employee lounges, lunch rooms,
and customer waiting areas. The Secretary noted that he did not
feel machines in employee lounges or lunch rooms would be subject
to the licensing requirements provided they were used only by employees
and not the general public.
OTHER BUSINESS
Chairman Lucht checked briefly with the Planning Commission members
as to whether they had contacted Neighborhood Advisory Group members
to see if they still wanted to serve on these bodies . Planning
Commission members - stated that their poll of advisory group members
was not complete and Chairman Lucht carried the matter over to the
following meeting.
ADJOURNMENT
Motion by Commissioner Malecki seconded by Commissioner Manson to
adjourn the meeting of the Planning Commission. The motion passed
unanimously. The Planning Commission adjourned at 10 :30 p.m.
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